PHILIP and Cheiny,¹ more than a good meinie²

Meaning & Analysis

The phrase refers to including 'Philip and Cheiny'—ordinary, possibly unremarkable people—rather than assembling a strong, quality retinue or group (meinie).

Insights

Inferior Company

The proverb warns against valuing quantity over quality, suggesting that gathering a crowd of inconsequential or idle people ('Philip and Cheiny') is less worthwhile than having a select group of capable and dependable individuals.

False Appearances

It highlights the danger of mistaking a large number for true strength or merit—an impressive following of the wrong sort provides no real benefit.

Historical Symbolism

'Philip and Cheiny' appear as proverbial names for nondescript or idle common folk in Tudor England. The 'meinie' (retinue) was a mark of status and effectiveness, and swelling it with the wrong people was considered folly.

Social Commentary

The proverb reflects a practical social wisdom: surrounding oneself with sycophants or hangers-on, rather than skilled allies, undermines authority and success.

Cultural Resonance

The sentiment is echoed across cultures—valuing a trustworthy or competent few over an unreliable multitude—reinforcing a timeless truth about leadership, friendship, and teamwork.

Rhetorical Devices

Metonymy

'Philip and Cheiny' stand in for the archetypal ordinary or worthless members of a group, making the proverb both pointed and memorable.

Alliteration and Rhyme

The names and phrasing contribute a playful, rhythmic quality, enhancing oral transmission and recall.

Irony

The proverb subtly mocks the practice of boasting about numbers when substance is lacking, using humor to reinforce its cautionary point.

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Transcription

Quotations

It was not his intent to bryng vnto Silla, philip and cheiny, moo then a good meiny, but to bryng hable soudiours of manhood approued and well tryed to his handes.

1542, UDALL, Apoph., f. 280

Ye pray for Philip and Cheny, more than a good meany.

1569, BECON, Displ. Popish Mass: Prayers, p. 276

Loiterers I kept so meanie, both Philip, Hob, and Cheanie.

1573, TUSSER, 500 Points Husb., 2, p. 8

Annotations

  1. two or more of the common people
  2. retinue

Original Scan

PHILIP and Cheiny,¹ more than a good meinie² - a scanned entry from Tilley's 1950 Dictionary of Proverbs.
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