Meaning & Analysis
At a time that will never come; an imaginary or impossible date.
Insights
Postponed Indefinitely
The phrase serves as a metaphor for perpetual delay or procrastination—something promised or hoped for but never actually fulfilled. It implies false assurances or unrealistic expectations.
Impossibility and Futility
‘Latter Lammas’ symbolizes an event that will never occur. Much like 'when pigs fly', it signals the speaker’s disbelief in the feasibility of a proposed action or promise, casting it as absurd or futile.
Calendar Irony
Lammas Day (August 1) was a real harvest festival, but 'Latter Lammas' is a fabricated date, using the legitimacy of an actual holiday to heighten the irony. This underscores the proverb’s wit and cultural anchoring in agrarian timekeeping.
Cultural Parallel with Classical Antiquity
Ray’s comparison to the Latin 'Ad Graecas calendas' reveals a shared rhetorical device across cultures: invoking fictional calendar dates to express impossibility. Romans said this of Greek months, which lacked 'calends'.
Folk Humor and Skepticism
The proverb reflects a skeptical folk voice wary of false promises—whether from landlords, suitors, or officials. It participates in a long tradition of humorous realism that mocks delays and empty words.
Rhetorical Devices
Irony
The expression hinges on situational irony—pretending to offer a deadline that does not exist, which amplifies the satirical tone.
Allusion
It alludes to a known date (Lammas) to fabricate a non-existent one, drawing on shared cultural calendars to build its meaning.
Idiomatic Hyperbole
It exaggerates the idea of waiting until a date that will never arrive, producing a vivid and memorable idiom for futility.
Transcription
Quotations
Faith youer Marsship will thrive att the latter Lammas.
Who late, or neuer woodcocke like at later Lammas thriues.
*Never.
This your will At latter lammas wee'l fulfill.
At latter Lammas when men shear their Calfs.
*Ad Graecas calendas, i.e. never.
At latter Lammas; at Nevermass; when two sundays come together.
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