One (Neither) of the COURT but none (nor) of the counsel

Meaning & Analysis

A person is a member of the royal court, meaning they are physically present and part of the general assembly, but they are not a member of the council, the small, influential group of advisors who make important decisions.

Insights

Inclusion vs. Influence

The proverb illustrates the difference between superficial belonging and genuine influence. One can be part of an organization or social group without having any real power, authority, or access to confidential information.

Proximity Without Power

It serves as a metaphor for being on the periphery of power. A person may be close to where decisions are made but has no role in the decision-making process itself, highlighting a distinction between proximity and participation.

Knowledge and Secrecy

The proverb differentiates between general membership and access to privileged knowledge. Being 'of the counsel' implies being trusted with secrets and strategic plans, a status denied to a mere member 'of the court'.

Historical Court Politics

Rooted in the political structure of historical royal courts, this proverb distinguishes between being a courtier (a member of the court) and being an advisor on the Privy Council. It reflects the intense competition for influence where physical presence did not guarantee access to power.

Contemporary Relevance

The proverb resonates in any hierarchical organization, from modern corporations to social clubs. It describes the common experience of being a member of a group in name only, without access to the inner circle where key decisions and secrets are shared.

Psychology of Exclusion

This proverb captures the psychological state of marginalization within a group. It speaks to the feeling of being an 'insider-outsider'—present in the room but excluded from meaningful participation, which can lead to feelings of alienation and frustration.

Rhetorical Devices

Antithesis

The proverb's impact comes from the direct contrast between 'court' (representing broad, surface-level inclusion) and 'counsel' (representing deep, exclusive influence).

Wordplay / Pun

It cleverly uses the similar-sounding words 'counsel' (advice) and 'council' (an advisory body), creating a pun that enriches its meaning and memorability.

Parallelism

The balanced structure, 'One of the... but none of the...', creates a rhythmic and parallel construction that makes the statement concise and emphatic.

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Transcription

Quotations

I was nother of court nor of counsaile made.

1546, HEY, I xi, s. E3

Thou wert nether oth court nor oth counsaile.

1560-77, Misogonus, IV i 135

I am of the Court in deede, but none of the Counsell.

1571, R. EDWARDS, Damon and Pithias, s. D2v

But howe he imployed it, he shall himselfe vtter, for that I am neither of his counsaile nor court.

1580, LYLY, Euph. and His Eng., p. 143

Marc is of Court but not of Councell made.

1611, DAV, Prov., no. 162
1611, FLOR, s.v. Minoringo, p. 315
1639, CL, s.v. Contemptus, p. 72

But most I muse at, is, that I, being none o' the court, am sent for thither by the council.

1640, JONSON, Tale Tub, II v 42

To be neither of the Court, nor yet of the Council, viz. to have nothing to do in any action.

1666, TOR, Prov. Phr., s.v. Corte, p. 47
1670, RAY, p. 170

*One of the Party, but not admitted into their Secrets, and Intrigues.

1721, KEL, p. 272

Original Scan

One (Neither) of the COURT but none (nor) of the counsel - a scanned entry from Tilley's 1950 Dictionary of Proverbs.
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