It is neither HERE nor there

Meaning & Analysis

The matter under discussion has no bearing on the present point; its location—in relevance terms—is in no useful place.

Insights

Irrelevance

Declares a topic immaterial to the argument or decision at hand. By denying it a ‘place’ in discourse, the speaker excludes it from the frame of relevance.

Boundary-setting

Functions as a conversational gate: the speaker polices what counts as admissible evidence or themes, keeping the discussion constrained and goal-directed.

Emotional Detachment

Signals disengagement from provocations or side issues, a way to refuse the emotional bait of tangents and keep poise.

Epistemic Caution

Admits uncertainty or indifference about particulars: when facts are unsettled or symmetric, their exact ‘place’ doesn’t alter the conclusion.

Power in Framing

By labeling something ‘neither here nor there,’ a speaker exerts soft power—framing the arena so that rival claims lose footing.

Deictic Roots

‘Here’ and ‘there’ are deictic anchors tied to speaker and elsewhere; the proverb negates both, metaphorically erasing coordinates to mark discourse-null space.

Stage and Street

From Shakespeare’s dialogue to everyday talk, the phrase serves as a pragmatic aside—a quick valve to vent irrelevancies without derailing rhythm.

Legal–Rhetorical Use

In debate or law, it compresses a relevance objection: material that does not affect burden of proof, remedy, or issue-spotting is dismissed as ‘neither…nor….’

Meristic Logic

By spanning a binary (‘here/there’) and negating both, the line implies exhaustive exclusion—if it’s in neither category, it’s out of play altogether.

Politeness Strategy

Offers a courteous off-ramp: rather than contradicting content head-on, the speaker downgrades its pertinence, saving face while steering course.

Rhetorical Devices

Merism

‘Here’ and ‘there’ name opposite poles to imply the whole field; negating both wipes the field clean of relevance.

Antithesis

Opposed spatial terms dramatize exclusion, sharpening the sense that the matter belongs nowhere useful.

Deixis

Place-words tether meaning to speaker perspective; their joint negation universalizes the claim of irrelevance.

Ellipsis/Idiom

A compact, idiomatic clause that omits explicit reasons—its performative force lies in the act of classification, not argument.

Parallelism

Balanced ‘neither…nor…’ structure gives cadence and memorability, making the dismissal quick and quotable.

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Analyzed with gpt-5.0-thinking on December 20, 2025

Transcription

Quotations

Sir, that is neither here nor there.

1645, D. FEATLEY, Dippers, p. 9

As the English say, Its neither here, nor there, insignificant, a chip in pottage.

1666, TOR., It. Prov., note 63, p. 99

Well, that's neither here nor there.

1738, SWIFT, Pol. Conv., I, p. 402

Shakespeare Citations

But notwithstanding that, I know Anne's mind. That's neither here nor there.

Wiv, I.iv

Doth that bode weeping? -'Tis neither here nor there.

Oth, IV.iii

Original Scan

It is neither HERE nor there - a scanned entry from Tilley's 1950 Dictionary of Proverbs.
Scan courtesy of HathiTrust Digital Library.
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