As much sibbed¹ as SIEVE² and ridder³ that grew both in a wood together

Meaning & Analysis

A fine sieve and a coarse sieve are 'related' only because their wooden frames were made from trees that grew in the same forest. The proverb states that a person's claim of kinship is as tenuous and meaningless as this distant, generic connection.

Insights

False Kinship

Mocks those who claim a close relationship ('sib') with another person based on a shared but distant and insignificant origin, such as coming from the same town or region, in order to gain social advantage.

Critique of Social Climbing

Serves as a satirical critique of social climbers who groundlessly attach themselves to influential people by fabricating or exaggerating a remote, circumstantial connection (the shared 'wood').

Superficial Connections

Highlights the difference between genuine, close relationships and superficial associations that are based merely on shared circumstances rather than a true, meaningful bond.

Critique of Social Hierarchy

Reflects a society where lineage and kinship were paramount for social status. The proverb acts as a tool for social policing, exposing and ridiculing fraudulent claims of connection to the powerful, as noted in the 1721 quotation.

Symbolism in Material Culture

The use of common household and agricultural tools—a fine sieve and a coarse riddle—makes the abstract concept of false kinship tangible and relatable, grounding the social critique in the material culture of everyday life.

Psychology of Pretension

Uncovers the human tendency to seek status by association. The proverb's sarcastic tone reveals a cultural skepticism toward such aspirations, championing authentic relationships over opportunistic ones.

Rhetorical Devices

Ironic Simile

The proverb's structure as a simile ('As... as...') is used ironically. It feigns to affirm a relationship while the comparison itself demonstrates its absurdity and lack of substance.

Symbolism

The 'sieve' and 'ridder' symbolize two distinct entities with a superficial similarity, while the 'wood' symbolizes a common but meaningless origin, effectively illustrating the concept of a manufactured connection.

Alliteration

The alliteration in 'sib as sieve' enhances the proverb's rhythm and memorability, giving it a classic, folkloric quality that aids in its transmission.

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Transcription

Quotations

We were als sib as seue and riddill, in vna silua que creuerunt.

1508, DUNBAR, Test. A. Kennedy, l. 55; Poems, II 56
1670, RAY, p. 207

No more sib'd than Sieve and Riddle.

1674, RAY, Words Not Gen. Used, p. 62

*Chesh.

As sub as Sive and Riddle that grew both in one Wood.

1721, KEL., p. 31

*Spoken to them who groundlessly pretend Kindred to great Persons.

Annotations

  1. related
  2. a fine sieve
  3. a coarse sieve

Original Scan

As much sibbed¹ as SIEVE² and ridder³ that grew both in a wood together - a scanned entry from Tilley's 1950 Dictionary of Proverbs.
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