JOAN is as good as my lady in the dark

Meaning & Analysis

In the dark, a common woman ('Joan') is physically indistinguishable from and therefore provides the same experience as a noblewoman ('my lady'), rendering social status and physical appearance irrelevant.

Insights

Equality in Anonymity

In any situation where identities are obscured or external markers of status are irrelevant, all individuals are fundamentally equal. Anonymity erases superficial distinctions, reducing everyone to their basic human commonality.

Critique of Social Status

The proverb implies that social hierarchies and standards of beauty are artificial constructs. In a context that strips away these conventions ('the dark'), intrinsic worth is revealed to be the same, regardless of outward appearances or social standing.

Appearance versus Reality

It serves as a commentary on the deceptive nature of appearances. The value assigned to a 'lady' over 'Joan' is based on visual and social cues that vanish in the dark, suggesting that such valuations are superficial and contingent.

Pragmatism of Desire

The proverb cynically suggests that in the pursuit of fundamental desires, such as sexual gratification, social niceties and aesthetic preferences are secondary. When it comes down to it, one option is just as functional as the other.

Social Archetypes

The names 'Joan' and 'my lady' are archetypes of the English class system. 'Joan' represents the common, rustic woman, while 'my lady' signifies nobility and refinement. The proverb's power lies in its immediate invocation of this stark social hierarchy, only to collapse it under the cover of darkness.

Psychology of Desire

The proverb offers a cynical insight into human desire, suggesting that when visual cues and social status are removed, distinctions of beauty and class become meaningless. It reveals a pragmatic, and perhaps objectifying, perspective on sexual attraction, where physical presence in the dark is the sole criterion of value.

Cultural Parallelism

As noted in the 17th-century quotations, this proverb is a direct parallel to 'When candles are out, all cats are gray'. This connection highlights a universal theme in folklore: darkness as the great equalizer, a force that strips away superficial differences and reveals a more fundamental, undifferentiated reality.

Literary and Dramatic Use

The proverb's frequent appearance in Renaissance drama by playwrights like Chettle, Munday, and Beaumont and Fletcher demonstrates its cultural currency in exploring themes of social satire, mistaken identity, and the tension between appearance and reality.

Rhetorical Devices

Antithesis

The proverb is built on the direct and socially charged contrast between 'Joan' (the commoner) and 'my lady' (the aristocrat), which is the central engine of its meaning.

Symbolism

'The dark' symbolizes more than a literal absence of light; it represents anonymity, the suspension of social norms, and a primal state where constructed differences are nullified.

Euphemism

The phrase 'is as good as' acts as a euphemism for sexual availability or equivalence, allowing a coarse and provocative idea to be expressed in a socially acceptable and memorable form.

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Transcription

Quotations

Tote man for all sych venereall werk As good is the foule as the fayre in the derk.

c.1525, J. RASTELL, Gentleness and Nobility, s. C1V

He is our Ladies Chaplaine, but serues Ione. —Then, from the Friers fault perchance, it may be The prouerbe grew, Ione's taken for my Ladie.

1601, CHETTLE AND MUNDAY, Downfall Robt. Earl Hunt., s. F2v

Bring forth my husband, ile teach him to put a difference betwixt Ioan and my ladie I hold him ten pound ont.

1606, J. DAY, Isle Gulls, s. G2

Is not this a lady? —No, by my troth, master; such as be in the garden-alleys. Joan's as good as this French lady.

1606, T. HEYWOOD, 2 If You Know Not Me, p. 314

Ioan in the darke is as good as my lady: Nay, perhaps better, such ladies there may bee.

1611, DAV., Prov., no. 386

When they are drunk, e'ne then, when Ione and my Lady are all one, not one will do me reason.

1616, BEAUMONT AND FLETCHER, Scornful Lady, IV, p. 272
1639, CL., s.v. Forma, et deformitas, p. 120

In the dark, Joan is as good as my Lady.

1659, HOW., Eng. Prov., p. 13

The English say, that in the night, all cats are gray, And Ione is as good as my Lady, in the dark.

1666, TOR., It. Prov., note 44, p. 173

To be handsome under her clothes, viz. deform'd, but wholsome and sound, spoken of some woman that is not handsome .. the English [say] Ione is as good as my Lady in the dark.

1666, TOR., Prov. Phr., s.v. Panni, p. 131

*Erasmus draws this to another sense, viz. There is no woman chast where there is no witness: but I think he mistakes the intent of it, which is the same with ours. When candles are out all cats are gray.

1670, RAY, p. 109
1672, WALK., 44, p. 41

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